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SLIDES
& TRANSCRIPTS
October
30-31, 2000
Epidemiology
and Hematopoiesis and Apoptosis
Martyn Smith, PhD
University of California
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DR.
SMITH: Thank you very much, Michelle and thank you for inviting
me to come here. I should first of all point out that I am not
an epidemiologist and that I am going to be talking really about
speculative ideas and provocative ideas about what actually causes
MDS and what I am going to try to convince you of in the next
10 minutes is that we should really look at the diet as a cause
of MDS and possibly of leukemia. What I am saying here is that
diet and genetics are possibly the two main factors which are
responsible for de novo MDS with alcohol, occupational exposures
and smoking also contributing, and these dietary factors I am
going to focus on are high protein and phenolic content in the
diet, high calories and low vitamin intake. I am also going to
touch briefly upon some of the problems we have once we have developed
these theories in trying to study them with MDS which are very
similar to the studies that you are having problems with in that
you have no models. With epidemiology you have a very difficult
disease to study because you are having difficulty classifying
it. When you want to study diet you have to ask questions like
what did you eat in 1992, which is pretty difficult for you to
answer. There is no real incidence data on MDS. Classification
and diagnosis problems make it very difficult to study from an
epidemiological viewpoint.
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Why
should we think about the diet? You shouldn't be really too surprised
that the diet is an area to look at. This is the causes of cancer
death, the famous Doll and Pitot chart, with smoking responsible
for about one-third of all cancers and this large green one here
is diet, with poor diet being responsible also for about one-third
of all cancers. So if you look at what may cause MDS, it is tobacco,
alcohol and diet as the main factors with perhaps infection and
viral agents also playing some sort of promotional role.
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What
do we know about what causes MDS now? We know radiation, alkylating
chemotherapy and this compound, benzene, are known causes of MDS.
From the epidemiological studies that have been reported there are
also increased odds ratios for occupational exposures to halogenated
organics, metals, hydrogen peroxide, arc welding, et cetera. But
for the majority of cases of MDS these occupational exposures, pesticides,
and so on are very unlikely to explain the disease. Also, most of
the people who have de novo MDS have not received radiation of any
significant levels or chemotherapy, and they may have been exposed
to low levels of benzene in the environment. But I have been working
for many years on benzene and my studies on benzene really led me
to think about what causes leukemia and MDS if benzene is not doing
it.
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little bit about benzene and that is that benzene is metabolized
to its two primary metabolites, phenol and hydroquinone and the
pathway that appears to be important for benzene toxicity and leukemia
induction is the transport of hydroquinone to the bone marrow, its
activation to a quinone producing genetic damage and toxicity. Your
main protection against this toxicity appears to be an enzyme called
NQO1 or NADPH quinone oxidoreductase.
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Together
with Nat Rothman of the National Cancer Institute and colleagues
in China, we showed that susceptibility to benzene hematotoxicity
was related to a polymorphism in this enzyme NADPH quinone oxidoreductase
or NQO1 and that people who lacked the activity of this enzyme were
twofold to threefold more at risk of getting benzene toxicity than
controls or people who had the normal levels of the enzyme. This
suggested to us that maybe NQO1 is important in other forms of leukemia
and hematotoxicity and
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together
with Richard Larson's group, Michelle LeBeau and others in Chicago,
we went on to study a group of therapy-related AML patients and
found that there was also an association with this polymorphism
and NQO1. My former grad student, Joe Wiemels, working with Mel
Greaves in London, then showed that infant leukemias with T11 Q23
were also related to this inactivating polymorphism and most recently
in a very large study of de novo leukemia we have shown together
with collaborators in Leeds that this polymorphism is related to
de novo leukemia.
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. I will tell you a little bit about that study, and show a little
bit of data. This is a large case-controlled study of leukemia in
Northern England with 493 Caucasians diagnosed with acute leukemia
and 838 matched controls. Most of them were AMLs and ALLs. We have
analyzed various polymorphisms in this population, one of them being
this polymorphism in NQO1 and what we found was that the odds ratio
for the low activity of NQO1, the heterozygous and homozygous genotypes
produced an odds ratio of about a 50 percent increased risk of getting
AML and especially in those harboring translocations 821 inversion
16 most notably have an eight-fold increased odds ratio, 5q minus
and 7q minus also, an increased odds ratio although not statistically
significant. This inversion 16 and these other relationships also
held up in another large case series that we looked at. In two large
populations of cases we have been able to show this low level, low
activity of NQO1 is related to the induction of AML.
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What does this data suggest to us to speculate about a little bit?
It suggests that compounds which are substrates for NQO1 all cause
oxidative stress and NQO1 defends you against oxidative stress or
causative factors in producing leukemia and perhaps MDS. What are
substrates for NQO1? They include benzene and its metabolites, phenol,
hydroquinone, various other compounds, possibly also flavonoids
which are very common in our diet and NQO1 is also going to protect
you against oxidative stress generated by things like inflammation
which Neal Young was just talking about or low antioxidant intake
or certain environmental chemicals which you are exposed to. NQO1
may be working through this oxidative stress mechanism and its defenses.
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We
know that benzene causes MDS and leukemia, but it is very unlikely
that benzene is really responsible for many of the leukemias or
MDS cases in the general population. That is because exposures in
the general population to benzene are very low at the level of 1
to 5 parts per billion in air, and we do have, however,
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large
amounts of phenol in our urine and also of hydroquinone and this
phenol catechol and hydroquinone comes mainly from the diet and
not from benzene. This led to me to thinking that maybe the diet
and these dietary phenols and quinones are actually what is important,
not the benzene that is the common pollutant. These phenol, catechol
and hydroquinones are common dietary constituents. There are very
widely varying background levels of these in the general population,
and these varying levels stem from differences in dietary ingestion,
medicines like Pepto Bismol and chlorceptic(?) and most importantly
the activity of your gut flora and the make-up of your gut flora.
Since excess protein in the diet, things like tyrosine and phenylalanine,
these amino acids are converted to phenol by these gut bacteria,
so, phenol producers in the gut may be very important.
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We
have extremely highly levels of phenol, catechol and hydroquinone
in our everyday urine. It is highly variable and in order to get
these levels in our urine you would have to be exposed to about
1000 times more benzene than we are typically exposed in every day.
It is not coming from benzene.
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It
is coming from somewhere else, and it is mainly coming through hydroquinone
from something like arbutin, which is present as a glycoside in
many things like wheat and pears, and so our main intake of hydroquinone
is from these types of foods.
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But
phenol which is then converted to hydroquinone is coming mainly
from gut bacteria and the breakdown of amino acids from gut bacteria
and very interestingly if you have a large number of bacteroides
in these phenol-producing bacteria you produce a lot of phenol.
You have a high level of phenol in your urine whereas if you have
a lot of lactobacillus and clostridium which don't produce phenol
then you have very low levels, and interestingly these are associated
with meat intake and this is not. This is associated with breast
feeding which is protective against leukemia and these are found
from meat intake which is also related to leukemia in epidemiological
studies. We think this production of phenol by gut bacteria could
be very important in producing it.
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The theory goes like this, which will be published in Leukemia in
the next month or so, the paper we have in press. I have some copies
with me that phenol and hydroquinone in the blood come mainly from
arbutin in the diet, a little bit from benzene, a little bit from
benzene in cigarette smoke, from medicines such as Pepto Bismol
but most importantly from protein and gut flora activity. These
travel to the bone marrow where they produce many of the same effects
that benzene produces because they are responsible for benzene's
effects, oxidative DNA damage, chromosome rearrangements, inhibition
of TOPO-2(?) altered hematopoiesis and selection of a leukemic clone.
We hypothesize that this could lead to some forms of leukemia and
MDS.
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Now,
this is very difficult to actually prove or study because of a variety
of factors. It is very difficult to look at the diet retrospectively.
How do you assess differences in people's gut flora? How do you
measure what their gut flora is or what their gut flora was 10 years
ago, and there has also been a suggested role of viruses by Azro
Raza, the cytomegalovirus. That needs to be looked at and a variety
of other things need to be looked at. We have a lot of problems
not only looking at the hypothesis but also some epidemiological,
methodological problems. There is really no incidence data on MDS.
How do you identify patients early enough? It makes this very difficult
to do a population-based study, which is what you really need to
do. There are problems in diagnosis and classification at different
clinical centers. This makes it very difficult to do a study, and
as has been mentioned this morning there are also likely to be different
types of MDS or subtypes of MDS with differing etiology and in epidemiology
this means you are going to be faced with a problem of small numbers.
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What can be done? I would just like to leave you with some of my
ideas of what could be done. I think what needs to be done is a
very large study of MDS and AML in patients in the major clinical
centers which capture the majority of patients in this specific
area. By doing this you would get almost a population-based study.
Then you would have to decide how you are going to select controls,
and it is important to study both MDS and AML together because we
may learn a lot about why some MDS progress to AML and others do
not, and perhaps I would add to this, since I saw Neal Young's talk
a few minutes ago, that we should add anemia and PNH into this also.
Then you develop a sophisticated questionnaire and analytical techniques
to test these new hypotheses and you perform sophisticated biological
sample processing on all these subjects to allow future genomic
or genetic analyses, analyses of gene expression and future proteomic
analyses, so create a tremendous sample resource for analysis, and
this will take a multimillion dollar large systematic effort, but
I think it is the only way that we can really get to causation with
this particular disease. Thank you. (Applause.)
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