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SLIDES
& TRANSCRIPTS
Tuesday, September 14,
2000
Molecular
Pathogenesis of Small Cell Lung Cancer: Potential Clinical Implications
Adi F. Gazdar,
MD
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DR.
SAXMAN: Again, we will have an opportunity to ask more questions
after the presentations this morning and certainly in the breakout
sessions. I think many more of these things need to be discussed
and elaborated.
The next speaker
is Dr. Adi Gazdar who is professor of pathology and Deputy Director
of the Hamon Center for Therapeutic Oncology Research at the University
of Texas, Southwestern Medical Center.
Dr. Gazdar
is going to speak with us about molecular pathogenesis of small
cell lung cancer, particularly as it relates to the clinical implications.
DR. GAZDAR:
I appreciate the opportunity to be here and am thankful for the
invitation. As we all know, lung cancer for clinical purposes, at
least and for a number of other reasons, is divided up into non-small
cell and small cell. In this country small cell is approximately
20 to 25 percent of lung cancer.
One thing that
has puzzled me and is seldom addressed is why the incidence of small
cell is so low in certain developing countries such as India where
it is well under 5 percent, perhaps 3 or 4 percent, and why smoking-related
cancers in different countries show these different histologic distributions
is something that really hasn't been well addressed.
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As
you all heard and know, in fact, that small cell is different for
a number of reasons. It is widely metastatic at diagnostic. It is
initially responsive to cytotoxic therapy. It is resistant to therapy
on relapse, and it is a neuroendocrine tumor. If we understood the
mechanisms of what caused these different things, I think we would
have the key to curing small cell lung cancer, but in fact, our
present state of knowledge is somewhat rudimentary in many of these
areas.
One of the
other problems, of course, as you heard being such a widely metastatic
tumor, it is not usually treated by surgery, curative surgery, unless
the diagnosis is in doubt. It is a peripheral tumor. You don't know
what it is, and it is removed and therefore, you still seldom have
an opportunity to get it because the diagnosis is made post-surgery,
and one of the problems is what do you use to study this disease.
Cell lines that John Minna in his infinite wisdom forced me to establish
at the NCI VA Branch, which later became the NCI Navy Branch, we
had about 70-odd lines from both treated and untreated cases, but
limited disease and extensive disease cases, and then I estimate
about 50 other lines worldwide. So we have a good pool of cell lines.
Tissue is the
big problem, the major problem that remains, and one reason why
I think our knowledge of small cell biology exploded in the eighties
and has somewhat slowed down and non-small cell biology has emerged
as the dominant studies in the nineties. I think that the lack of
tissue is a major concern which has to be addressed, and how do
we obtain this? Bruce Johnson has obtained autopsy tissues, but
these, of course, are poor quality DNA. They cannot be used for
RNA, and they are from heavily treated patients. So I don't think
autopsy tissues are suitable for most types of studies.
We have tried
to get a bank of paraffin tissues just like Bill Travis has, and
I think one of the things that may come out of conferences like
this is cooperative groups that pool their resources and establish
tissue banks, even if there is some paraffin that we can all share.
I should say
another word about cell lines. Cell lines are often maligned. You
heard already some negative comments about cell lines. We have studied,
compared the cell lines of breast and non-small cell with the original
tumors they came from, and they are very good models. They represent
what we started off with, but the tumors are, also, atypical. They
are bad prognostic tumors, tumors with bad prognostic features.
They are widely metastatic, but those may not hold true in small
cell because all the tumors are widely metastatic and bad prognosis.
So, it could well be that small cell lines, particularly from untreated
patients, are pretty good models.
We don't have
good animal models to study lung cancer and small cell in particular,
and so we are left with these cell lines.
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There
are many changes as you know in cancer cells, inappropriate response
to external signals, such as ras and HER2/neu, loss of cell cycle
control and a variety of different genes involved there, immortality
associated with telemerase and other factors, loss of the apoptosis
pathway, again P53 and BCL-2, loss of contact inhibition, the ability
to metastasize, angiogenesis and autocrine growth loops. Many of
these features have been studied in small cell.
Many of these
features have been well described years ago. Even though many of
the people who have done most of the seminal work are in this room
today, you will forgive me if I pass over your work in a bullet
point or two, partly because many of these things are well described
in the literature for many years.
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Now,
there are major differences with the small cell and non-small cell
incidence. We talked about the neuroendocrine properties that we
will go into a little bit later on. As pointed out, they are non-small
cell, the neuroendocrine properties. Approximately 15 percent have
the entire range of neuroendocrine properties, and we showed back
in the early nineties that cell lines from non-small cells with
neuroendocrine properties were explicitly sensitive to chemotherapy
agents in vitro at least, the same as small cell lines were, and
this has not been well confirmed in very small poorly carried out
trials, I think partly because most people have used immunohistochemistry
to define neuroendocrine properties. I think immunohistochemistry
is a poor way to define the neuroendocrine spectrum, and we should
use some of the new molecular tools to identify neuroendocrine properties
and perhaps rethink some of these clinical trials for non-small
cell tumors with neuroendocrine properties.
Now, ras mutations,
we will come back to this point later on, C-myc amplification work
and in fact myc genes done by Bruce Johnson and others, these are
amplified. A certain percentage are small cells, particularly those
that we treated with certain cytotoxic agents. We see them less
commonly nowadays. I don't know if Bruce agrees with that, but I
haven't seen myc amplification tumors, particularly those so-called
"tumors with large cell features" of late.
Her2/neu, again
very rare in small cell, relatively common in certain non-small
cell, particularly adenocarcinomas, BCL-2 expressions and differences
in incidence. P53 gene inactivation of mutations in a very high
percentage of small cell and somewhat less in non-small cell. RB
gene inactivation, as you heard, in most if not all small cells
and much rarer in non-small cell, while the opposite P16 gene inactivation
is common in non-small cell and rare in small cell.
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Just
again to put the cell cycle perturbations then are somewhat different,
being a small cell and non-small cell where the retinoblastoma gene
is the major mechanism of disturbance in small cell and the P16
and non-small cell.
The end result
is the same. So both these mutations end up with the same end result.
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Now,
ras gene mutations are somewhat interesting in that they are commonly
found in all human cancers. However, I don't think I have ever seen
a bona fide report of a ras mutation in a small cell. Here is this
highly metastatic, highly malignant tumor without any ras mutation
described, a remarkable finding or a remarkable non-finding. I think
it suggests, also, that perhaps there are downstream disturbances
of the ras signaling pathway which John Minna and others have looked
at somewhat and haven't really come to any deep conclusions, but
I suspect that this is something that will emerge in time.
Also, as you
have heard, farnesyl transferase inhibitors inhibit small cell and
when I began to work with farnesyl transferase inhibitors from Genentech,
to my amazement, I found that they caused rapid apoptotic death
in small cell and they caused growth inhibition without apoptosis
in non-small cell. So despite the fact that these tumors didn't
have ras mutations, the farnesyl transferase inhibitors had a much
more dramatic effect on small cell than they did in non-small cell.
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One
of the advantages of having these cell lines is that we also have
paired cell lines, paired B lymphoblastoid and tumor cell lines,
and if there is a need for more cell lines in small cell perhaps
it is to get more pairs. There are about 15 or 17 or so that I know
about, most of them from the NCI group.
We also have
a larger number of non-small cell so we can do detailed allelotyping.
These are done by hand using selected targets, targets that we know
from the literature are frequently deleted in one or another types
of cancers. John Minna is in the process of doing a complete non-specific
genome-wide allelotyping. So we are going to have some more hot
spots identified, but these are hot spots in more than 30 percent
of cell lines, and most of these have been confirmed by looking
at tumors. As you can see the remarkable thing is how many there
are.
There are over
50 different hot spots now identified, and many of them are not
on this map, but there are differences between small cell in red,
non-small cell in blue and common ones in green.
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One
way to look at this loss is by looking at the overall loss using
an index which reflects the number of regions lost per specimen.
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These
are not cell lines now, these are tumors. We notice that small cell
has the highest fractional loss if we select these markers to target
lung cancers. We see that 85 percent of the regions we looked at
were lost in small cell, some losing 100 percent incidence, squamous
somewhat less, and these two differences are not significant, but
certainly adenocarcinoma is significantly lower than either of these
other two cancers.
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If
you look at different hot spots that we know are frequently deleted
in lung cancers, we also see differences. Adenocarcinoma, as you
might predict from the previous slide, is usually at the bottom
of the three. Squamous and small cell you might think look very
similar, but there are differences. Not all the differences are
identified on the slide. Certainly with chromosome 5q we see a relatively
high incidence of loss in small cell and somewhat lower in squamous
cell and virtually none in adenocarcinoma.
By contrast,
8p has more frequent loss in squamous cell than in the other types,
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and
3p, John Minna's favorite target for so many years and both a joy
and frustration, I call 3p the Hope diamond of molecular biology.
Anyone who works on it is cursed, but in any case what you see here
the bars represent the overall loss using these multiple markers
up and down the whole arm, and the bars represent the areas of loss,
and several things you see. One is that in small cell and squamous
cell, frequently the entire or most of the arm is lost, while in
adenocarcinoma the losses are both less frequent and often much
more discreet.
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Despite
intense study, I think the nature of the genes, multiple genes on
3p, remain somewhat controversial, and I will let John Minna wax
on that point perhaps later on.
One of the
reasons we have neglected the literature and we have turned our
attention to partly was the mesotheliomas; we knew that they were
Chromosome 4 rearrangements in mesotheliomas. So we look at mesothelioma
and compared them with small cell and later with breast cancer and
now with colon cancer, which I don't show here.
Interestingly,
loss at four discrete points is frequent in many types of cancer,
including all these four not so much in non-small cell as
small cell and colon cancer, which I don't show here. We found this
very high incidence, perhaps the highest incidence of loss of any
finding in mesothelioma, at what we call the R1 region at the telemeric
end of 4q. The same is found in small cell. After 3p losses, the
most common event in small cell that we have investigated, a 90
percent incidence of loss, both in cell lines and tumors in this
region here. In other regions, you see fairly high loss, particularly
in this R2 and R3 region in both mesotheliomas and small cell.
In breast cancer,
again a high incidence of loss, a slightly different pattern of
loss and colon cancer the same thing. The other interesting thing
about Chromosome 4 is that these losses, unlike Chromosome 3, are
very discrete and marked by closely linked markers, so that finding
the relevant oncogenes may be somewhat easier than with the 3p story.
One other thing
of interest about 4p is that it is among the earliest charges that
are seen. 3p is the earliest change we found, and 4p appears to
be as early, and in some cases perhaps even earlier than, 3p loss
in both lung, perhaps breast and colon cancer as well. So it is
a very early event and important event in many tumor types.
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Now
8p, as I mentioned before, a very high incidence of loss in squamous
cell, somewhat less in small cell and adenocarcinoma and the same
borne out by the cell lines.
I should mention
non-small cell lines I think are much poorer models for lung cancer
than small cell lines, partly because most non-small cell lines
come from adenocarcinomas and advanced adenocarcinomas with bad
prognostic features and bad survival rates. So I think small cell
lines are good models. Non-small cell, you have got to take with
a grain of salt.
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To come to another point, which has been touched on by Bill Travis,
is of course that small cell is a neuroendocrine tumor with the
entire spectrum of neuroendocrine properties. There is not one neuroendocrine
I am aware of that hasn't been described in small cell often at
relatively low amounts but nevertheless present.
Carcinoids
are much better differentiated neuroendocrine tumors. Low grade
tumors as you heard can be divided up into typical and atypical
forms, but both of these have relatively low metastatic potential
and have a relatively good prognosis.
The carcinomas
which, of course, the major one is small cell lung cancer, but this
large cell neuroendocrine carcinoma put on the map by Bill Travis
and increasingly more and more diagnosed nowadays by pathologists
who are becoming aware of this entity. These tumors in the past
were either called large cell tumors or funny looking small cells
or perhaps even atypical carcinoids. So we don't really have a good
knowledge of the natural history of these tumors. They are highly
aggressive and do kill the patient, although survival curves seem
to be better than for small cell.
How they respond
to therapy is not fully understood. There is some anecdotal data
that they do respond to therapy, although whether they respond like
small cell to initial therapy we don't know. Perhaps some multi-institutional
trials should be started to look at this tumor and its response
to therapy.
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The
neuroendocrine products of small cell lung cancer are numerous.
There are over 30 different products being described, often multiple
ones in the same tumor, and I often think of them as both eutopic,
meaning products of the normal precursor cell, the endocrine cells
of the lung as well as ectopic meaning that they are neuroendocrine
products not made by the endocrine cells present in the normal lung.
And as I said, production of one or more of these is almost universal
in small cell and carcinoids.
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One way of looking at these neuroendocrine tumors by histology alone
is that they represent a gradation from the low-grade carcinoids
to the high-grade carcinomas,
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but
when you actually look at their properties there are many differences
that suggest that they are in fact two different tumor types. The
carcinoids have very high amounts of these neuroendocrine properties
while in the carcinomas there are much lower levels.
The carcinoids
have a slight female preponderance while the carcinoma are male
preponderance. Carcinoids are not really smoking associated while
carcinomas are. The metastatic potential of carcinoids is low, while
that of carcinomas is high. P53 mutations are rare or relatively
rare in carcinoids, frequent in carcinomas.
The pattern
of allelic losses, there are relatively few described in carcinoids
and frequent in carcinomas. Gene mutations are frequent in carcinoids
and rare in carcinomas.
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I
think a better way of looking at these neuroendocrine tumors is
to divide them into two different categories, the low-grade carcinoids
and the high-grade carcinomas, acknowledging that they probably
have different pathogenesis and different etiologic features and
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different
response to therapy, the carcinoids being highly resistant to cytotoxic
agents.
The autocrine
pathways, again, Paul Bunn talked about them. You are going to hear
a lot about them. So, perhaps I will skip that slide in the interest
of time.
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Again, we are going to hear about angiogenesis. I would like to
point out one feature. This is a histologic change not described
by Wilbur Franklin but put on the map by Wilbur Franklin at Colorado.
What it is is the formation of these micropapillary-like lesions
best shown in the middle panel here where the stroma come into
the epithelium, often carrying blood vessels which you will see
better in the next picture, and this is a change we frequently
see in dysplastic squamous epithelium of smokers.
I think in
my experience about 40 percent of patients with dysplasia have
one or more of these lesions in their bronchial tract.
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This
again comes from Wilbur Franklin. When you do a stain for blood
vessels, and I have forgotten which one this is, factor 8 or VEGF,
but in any case you can see a very high density of blood vessels
actually penetrating into the epithelium and these micropapillary-like
fingers. The point I am trying to make is that disturbances of angiogenesis
occur very early in the course of lung tumors in smokers with dysplasia,
and so, therefore, prevention methods may be applicable as well
as therapy methods.
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Now,
I would like to address one last thing that we have been interested
in of late, and that is the sequential development of lung cancers.
As you all know, you have read in your biology books that these
things follow a certain course. This isn't strictly true, but the
standard line is that normal epithelium goes to hyperplasia, then
squamous metaplasia; dysplastic changes appear of various grades,
then carcinoma in situ which is still limited by the basement membrane,
and finally, an invasive cancer.
This is all
very well, but this holds true for squamous cell cancers and not
for other types of lung cancers. Also, I don't think hyperplasia,
squamous metaplasia are true premalignant lesions. They regress
after smoking cessation, while most of the advanced dysplasias do
not regress even 15 or more years after smoking cessation. I think
these advanced changes are there for life once they develop, and
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so
for squamous cell we can see that the sequence of events is from
normal epithelium through these mild changes which I have not listed
here, to dysplasia, to CIS and finally, invasive cancer.
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For adenocarcinomas a somewhat different sequence via the peripherally
occurring tumors that are much harder to study sequentially. There
is this change described in the periphery called atypical adenose
hyperplasia, which is a hyperplasia of the type 2 pneumocytes. Perhaps
these may go on to develop invasive cancer, although the association
is more by inference, rather than by solid proof.
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Now, the problem is in small cell line cancer where we don't really
have good precursor lesions. Occasionally you might see neuroendocrine
cell hyperplasia. I think in about 5,000 cases I have looked at
I recognize six or seven examples of carcinoma in situ. So, virtually,
it seems to be a movement from normal epithelium that may go through
some intermediate stages when we usually cannot recognize them to
invasive cancer, and why is this?
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So,
just to sum up what I just showed you: squamous cancers and adenocarcinomas
seem to go through these intermediate stages to invasive cancer,
we cannot recognize these intermediate stages in small cell lung
cancer,
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and
so we looked at these different pathways. I show the slide mainly
to recognize the work of Evonne Wistuba who did most of the work.
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We
looked at both the allelotype of these different tumor types, which
I have already spoken about, and then using this data we looked
at the pattern of loss in the accompanying bronchial epithelium
of respective lung cancers.
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We looked at about 68 resected tumors, including 22 small cells.
From these we identified bronchial epithelium that was mainly hyperplastic
or normal. We ignored the dysplasias because we seldom found them
in small cell lung cancers. So we focused on histologically normal
epithelium and hyperplastic epithelium, reactive changes.
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We dissected out these by laser microsection, and we looked at these
markers that you heard about that are frequently deleted in lung
cancer. We found major differences between the major types.
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In
the tumors we already heard the data. Small cell and squamous cell
carcinomas have a high frequency of loss, adenocarcinoma somewhat
less. These are the changes in accompanying bronchial epithelial
foci, and one thing you notice that they are very low again in adenocarcinoma.
This is a peripherally occurring tumor, and we are looking at bronchus,
but it is squamous cancer which is arising from bronchial epithelium
for the most part. Again, a modest number of changes, much more
so than adenocarcinoma, but now look at small cell. Here it is 30
times more than adenocarcinoma.
Also, not only
is it more frequent, the relative ratio of changes in normal epithelium
or mildly abnormalhyperplastic epithelium to the corresponding
tumor, the ratio is one to three. In other words an enormous number
of changes in histologically normal epithelium adjacent to small
cell lung cancer, while in adenocarcinoma, even though they start
off with fewer changes the ratio is much, much higher and intermediate
in squamous cell. So this suggests to me that there is an incredible
amount of damage in the bronchial epithelium of patients who are
going to get small cell lung cancer.
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Again,
if you look at the patterns of these different genes, we can almost
always see differences. One thing that really stood out was losses
at the P53 gene, which we very seldom see except at the dysplastic
stage in non-small cell cancer and in most smokers. They had a very
high incidence of loss at the P53 gene in the normal and hyperplastic
epithelium of patients with small cell lung cancer, suggesting again
that not only were there lots of changes but that they seemed to
specifically target the P53 locus.
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If
we map out the size of the 3p deletions, not only their frequency
but their size and numbersthis is for squamous cell cancer
and I am showing this for a reasonwe see that the lesions
are much smaller and discrete. John Minna has more detailed data
to show you. In the hyperplasia and metaplasia it becomes slightly
more frequent. In dysplasia it is not any more frequent. They are
much larger, and for carcinoma in situ the pattern closely resembles
that of invasive cancer.
If you look
at the normal epithelium of small cell lung cancers, what we see
is a pattern more closely resembling the dysplasias of squamous
cell cancers, again proving that these lesions are much more advanced
at a very early stage in small cell lung cancer.
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These
are microsatellite alterations, changes in allele size and again
we don't see a difference between normal epithelium and the corresponding
tumors, but what we do see again is a much higher incidence in small
cell both in the tumors and in the accompanying epithelium than
in the other tumor types.
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So
to summarize these data regarding the overall frequency of allelic
loss in lung cancer, small cell is much higher, is about equal to
squamous cell and much greater than adenocarcinoma. The overall
frequency of allelic loss in the accompanying bronchial epithelium
is much higher in small cell and squamous cell and 30-fold higher
than in adenocarcinoma.
The overall
frequency of microsatellite alterations in both cancers and in the
accompanying bronchial epithelium is higher in small cell than squamous,
which is about equivalent to adenocarcinoma.
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So, each of these major histologic types of lung cancer has its
characteristic pattern of allelic loss. In the bronchial epithelium
we see extensive molecular damage in small cell lung cancer, minimal
damage in adenocarcinoma, and intermediate levels in squamous, suggesting
that each of these major histological pathways arises by a distinct
molecular pathway.
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So
now we can say that small cell appears to go directly from normal
epithelium through very short, if any intermediate stages towards
invasive cancer, and this is reflected by this enormous amount of
damage in the normal epithelium of small cell lung cancer.
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I
was asked to point out how these things impact on therapy. I think
this is the same slide that Paul Bunn showed more or less, which
means we went to the same Aspen meeting and learned something from
that meeting. I think we will have other opportunities to discuss
the therapeutic implications of these findings in our breakout sessions
and our reports tomorrow.
Thank you for
your attention.
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