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SLIDES
& TRANSCRIPTS
Wednesday, June 14, 2000
Integrating
Radiotherapy with New Therapeutic Agents for the Treatment of Locally
Advanced Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer: What Do We Know? What Do
We Need to Know?
C. Norman Coleman,
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DR.
COLEMAN: Thank you very much for the invitation. Let me first begin
by wishing Drew Turrisi good luck. If he is watching this in real
time, he is probably going to inhibit his recovery. So I recommend
that he not watch this meeting. But the meeting is never quite
the same without Drew, who not only adds great clinical perspective,
but adds a good sense of humor and balance. So we wish him very
well in his recovery.
Now the good thing
is that Dr. McKenna and I did not coordinate these talks, and we don't
overlap too much, as you can tell here. So let me tell you a little
bit about where I am from now. Some people know I have moved in the
last year to a new program called the Radiation Oncology Sciences
Program, which is a multifaceted program at the National Cancer Institute,
put together by Ed Liu, Division of Clinical Sciences, Bob Wittes,
Division of Cancer Treatment and Diagnoses, and Rick Klausner, as
director of NCI.
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So
my expertise is not necessarily in lung cancer, but I'll try to
talk to you a little bit about combined modality therapy, and some
of the new potential applications and targets for radiation. I
plan to cover where we stand at present in combined modality therapy
for non-small cell lung cancer. Dave Gandara has summarized that
all very well.
For those of us
who worked with Dave back in the Northern California Oncology Group
days, we are really glad that we trained our medical oncologists to
appreciate radiation. Dave, we knew you wanted a cure, so you're
still on the right way.
How we do really
know, or do we really know how, radiation works? What are the available
clinical strategies for combined modality therapy? I'll talk a bit
about the reductionist versus the integrated or heterotopic approach
to cancer; some new paradigms for how radiation oncology works, again,
some new concepts. We now have so many molecular targets -- how
do we credential and understand them? And lastly, some of the roles
that the radiation oncology sciences program can have in helping individual
institutions and the cooperative groups potentially advance new therapies
to the clinic.
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So
this is how most medical oncologists, and as some of you know, I
am one, view radiotherapy. This is a reconstruction of someone
having a prostate treated, but it's a two dimensional reconstruction.
Multiple beams are used, and all focusing on the target. In fact
what has happened now, for those of you who don't know, intensity
modulated 3-D conformal radiotherapy, as Gillies just talked about,
you can shape the fields to surround the tumor. You can use multiple
fields and you can have a heterogeneous intensity within each beam.
So you can essentially treat almost a field within a field by giving
a higher dose to centers, or areas you want to give higher doses
to, then lower doses to others. It is a much more elegant way of
delivering radiation, and it is really just a matter of computer
applications that is going to get this further advanced in the clinic.
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So
my only discussion of physical aspects of radiation were that slide.
What's coming forward is target definition. This is both imaging
of a shades of gray, but also an imaging of functional status of
tissues and tumors. Hitting the target, we can now use intensity
modulated radiation. We have gated treatments, and we can use electronic
portal imaging devices, so you can actually see in real time what
you are treating. The real issue now is you get tighter and tighter
in your fields, and you're getting more precise, but less accurate.
We can use intensity
modulated radiotherapy. One new project we are developing, where
we use mathematical models and all kinds of guesses for what radiation
dose is. And we're now developing an optical probe, a 100 micron
thick optical probe that can measure radiation dose and dose rate
in real time. I think we will soon have the ability to actually know
what we are doing with clinical radiotherapy, and brachytherapy is
obviously useful for short distances.
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Now
it took me a while to finally understand track structure experiments.
This is a picture of ionizations and electron in a radiation beam
when it is giving off ionizations with the electrons as it goes
through tissue. This is a high linear intensity radiation. We
won't focus on this. But this is where little energy deposits are
given, and this is the nanometer size of DNA. Although radiation
is not limited pharmacologically, you can penetrate membrane barriers
very easily, radiation is not given off homogeneously in tissue.
There are packets of high densities of ionization. It is this high
density that can potentially activate targets, not just in DNA,
but elsewhere in the cell. So there is heterogeneous distribution
of radiotherapy when you get down to the nanometer level, and that's
where really all the action is.
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In
the past we used to just talk about ionizing radiation, that you
had to have electrons energetic enough to actually create ionizations
and molecules and DNA. There are a number of papers in Science
now showing that when you use low energy electrons that do not produce
ionization, you can produce transient molecular anions in DNA.
These can move from molecule to molecule to molecule, and you can
potentially produce single and double strand breaks with lower energy
electrons than people thought about before publication of this in
March. So exactly how radiation creates damage now is being brought
to a whole different hypothesis.
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What
happens when you give very, very low doses of radiation that doesn't
kill cells? And this is from Sally Admundson and Al Fornace from
NCI, and this is looking at CIP-1 and WAF-1 induction and GADD-45
induction, two gene inductions at very low doses of radiation, at
a fraction of the 200 centigray of clinical dose. These are doses
of 2 centigray, 1% of the clinical dose. This is at 25% of the
clinical dose.
You can see gene
inductions at very low doses, doses that do not cause cytotoxicity,
that barely cause any cell cycle delay. But you can see gene inductions
that are not only up in large orders of magnitude, but also persist
for many hours. What this tells us is that radiation can perturb
targets, can potentially give us targets that we can then use for
molecular modification.
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So
where are we with combined modality therapy at present? Again,
not being an expert, fortunately I read the right papers just in
time. It appears that concomitant chemoradiotherapy is probably
better than sequential, although the window of opportunity approach
is obviously interesting.
The one point I
really wanted to make is that we have learned in the past from induction
chemotherapy in head and neck, that when you give chemotherapy and
wait three weeks and give chemotherapy, although the tumor may be
responding in size, it's also has increasing proliferation. You may
end up having a tumor that you think responds, but it in fact will
do worse. One has to be very careful about using the window of opportunity
when you have potentially effective curative modality, because you
may end up stimulating cell proliferation.
Local control seems
to improved with sequential combined modality therapy and concomitant
combined modality therapy. Improved local control can improve survival.
It's very effective. You can probably reduce distant failure rate
by a small percentage only for those patient who have persistent local
disease. In prostate cancer and other models, it's been shown that
if you let patients fail locally, you can probably have a showering
of metastatic disease. So local control is also important in distant
disease to some extent.
The use of new
standard chemotherapeutic agents, taxanes and others that have already
been mentioned, that are now coming forward. One point that I think
Drew Turrisi would have emphasized is the concept of dose intensity.
We are learning that from really hyperintense radiation schedules
that it appears that if you get your radiation treatment in a shorter
period of time, and the same with combined modality therapy, you may
have improvement in results. So in the dose-time ratio, time may
be as important a factor or more so than actual dose.
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What
are the concepts moving forward for combined modality therapy?
We talk about spatial cooperation, when Bob Wittes first heard that
he thought it was NCI and NASA working together. This is where
chemotherapy and radiotherapy really have separate killing fields
or killing zones. The potential use of both modalities at the same
time with toxicity independence, or you can use them separated in
time, which we tend to do. The classic Steel classification for
combined modality therapy is additive, one plus one equals two;
toxicity enhancement, one plus one equals three, and that's some
kind of molecular interaction. And for protectors, which I will
talk about a little bit, one plus one equals 1.5 for normal tissue,
where you are studying normal tissue effects. I think for lung
cancer, when you are treating such great volumes of normal tissue,
the protector aspect of this equation may be very important as we
move forward.
We now know we
can target the entire tumor, but we shouldn't target the entire tumor.
Some earlier talks mentioned that, including abnormal physiology,
abnormal tissue components. What's important, the cytostatic agents
may allow the optimization of spatial cooperation. It's sort of a
trick I learned in the streets of New York City. One holds him down,
while the others kill him. We may need to use the cytostatic agents
to hold the tumor down while chemotherapy and radiotherapy can take
turns picking the wallet and other things.
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So
again, Dave Gandara gave a really wonderful summary in the fall
ASCO symposia. How do you integrate new agents? Well, for new
agents you use them in low dose radiosensitizing ways, and also
in high-dose cytotoxic ways. And the schedules will really vary
from weekly to prolonged continuous infusion. The real MTD for
radiation modification is really a chronic MTD. It's not a single
dose MTD. That effects the design Phase I and Phase II studies.
It really addressed questions a little differently than we do with
just drugs by themselves.
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So
what are some of the radiation modifiers that are available for
clinical use? Again, you have heard of some of these -- the ones
that increase DNA damage, the halopyrimidines, which are really
no longer active. I won't talk about all the chemotherapeutic agents
are available.
The hypoxic sensitizer
field, people write this off as being dead. In a metaanalysis by
Jens Overgaard for all hypoxic therapies and in a randomized trial
for head and neck cancer using nimorazole, there was about a 5% or
7% difference in survival by antihypoxic approaches. These aren't
great breakthroughs, but they are not worthless approaches. We have
heard about hypoxic cytotoxins, tirapazamine, and Gillies showed the
data from Australia, Lester Peters showing really incredibly exciting
data for platinum plus tirapazamine and radiation for head and neck
cancer.
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Now
the paper from Hanahan and Weinberg has been shown in many talks
throughout the land since it was published. In the past, we in
the laboratory, and most people in cancer research, have used a
reductionist view where one focus is on the cancer cells. But in
fact the heterotypic cell biology view now illustrated here reminds
us that cancer cells are not just all cancer. You have cancer cells,
you have endothelial cells, you have stroma, you have inflammatory
cells. And the stromal elements, as we have heard already today,
could be very critical in the response of the cancer cells to therapy.
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Jim
Mitchell and Laurie Hersher in Jim Mitchell's lab about ten years
ago, looking at double staining techniques. This is the propidium
iodine in lung cancer specimen, staining nuclei, and the yellow
is antibody, a stain for white cells. You can see when you look
at tumor, there are tumor cells, but there are lots of white cells.
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There is another slide with an admixture of malignant cells and
normal stromal cells.
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They
did some very careful quantification work on the percentage of cells
in a cancer that were not cancer cells. What they found in squamous
cell cancer of the lung and adenocarcinoma was that 50% or more
of the cells were leukocytes, and this is not including the stromal
cells and what have you. As you often know, when you do a biopsy,
you sometimes have trouble finding the cancer cells for all the
other stuff that is in there. And all this other stuff that is
in there, I think make important therapeutic targets.
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Now Gillies showed a technique of oxygen imaging using tumor biopsies.
This is something that is coming down the line from Jim Mitchell's
group using a thing called over-enhanced MR, which is a cross between
EPR and MR. They have a triple radical molecule that reacts with
molecular oxygen, which gives a signal in real time where you can
actually measure oxygen concentration in vivo without perturbing
the animal.
You can see the
bright signal is the signal from this molecule. Brighter means more
oxygen. This is a mouse without a tumor. These are the kidneys.
With 21% oxygen you see a brighter signal. When you lower the oxygen,
you see a lessened signal. Bring it up, down, up down. So I think
this may be an example of things to come, where one can actually measure
molecular processes in vivo.
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Now
the targets for radiation are numerous. We have heard about DNA,
and that's probably the major target. One can potentially modify
radiation response by molecules that are involved in DNA damage
recognition and repair, such as AT, p53, BRCA, and all these other
genes and gene products.
What is interesting
is that most cancer tendencies involve errors in DNA repair. We may
in fact have a great source for potential molecular targets as we
really try to understand the role of DNA repair in these freaks of
nature, these genetic lesions that give us cancer susceptibility.
So learning how BRCA-1 works and their targets, MDS and others may
be a great way of developing new targets. But one may also try to
make a normal cell look like a premalignant cell. Some groups are
developing tests -- Tej Pandita and Michael Kastin's groups are working
on inhibitors of ATM, which may be potential radiation modifiers.
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We
have heard briefly from McKenna on non-DNA targets, and there are
many. It's almost every process in the cell. It could be cell
membranes, apoptosis. The basic FGF story we heard this morning
may involve the ceramide-created apoptosis pathway, the signal transduction
intermediates, kinases, and phosphatases, DNA damage recognition,
response, and repair, RNA stability, transcriptional apparatus,
almost any biological process you can name, apoptosis, cell cycle,
protein stability and degradation, other organelle, cell-cell communication,
extracellular factors such as growth factors, inflammation, immunologic
perturbation, and inducible transiently expressed genotypes.
Then there are
lots of targets for radiation that are non-DNA related. Some work
that we are doing, which I won't show here relates to COX inhibitors,
which we are doing in prostate cancer. These appear to work in
vivo and in vitro. Some may be mechanisms directly related
to DNA damage and repair and response in the cell. Others may relate
to the COX effects in normal tissue. But this is a new potential
drug.
What we also talk
about is the microenvironment phenotypes. What is important is that
we talk about genomics, but what is really important is protein expression.
A number of groups in the past have looked at p53 effect based on
redox state and have shown that by altering the redox state of a molecule,
you may take a perfectly normal molecule and make it relatively ineffective.
As we learn about oxidative stress, microoxidative stress, a lot of
the molecules that we think of functioning normally may in fact may
not be functioning normally, and provide molecular targets.
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So
the molecular targets approach to radiation will include two approaches,
the class of DNA target, with the rationale of increasing DNA damage
in cell killing, and the non-DNA targets. The rationale here is
just to abolish cellular homeostasis. You may be able to give a
drug at a fairly non-toxic concentration that has absolutely no
effect, only when you add radiation or a chemotherapeutic agent
will the cell actually die. So it's a way of using potentially
toxic drugs in much lower and safer concentrations, and then focusing
the cytotoxic therapy, which in this case would be radiation.
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There is quite an interest in understanding normal tissue injury.
This is a cartoon from a recent paper in the New England Journal
looking at TGF, and the TGF pathway are now being worked out.
But people have been interested in late radiation response. Is
late radiation injury, which is in fact the ultimate dose limiting
toxicity, a permanent process, or is it some kind of chronic,
sustained, inflammatory process that you can perhaps intervene
many years after the event? You can give high doses, get people
through the acute toxicity, and then fix up late toxicity down
the line.
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There
is work just published about a month ago by Michelle Martin in the
Red Journal looking at TGF beta-1 and radiation fibrosis. This
is looking at pig skin, looking months after radiation, and looking
at TGF beta-1 expression in the skin late out, from as far as a
year out, showing the sustained increase in TGF beta-1 concentration.
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Her
group also took normal fibroblasts, and took fibroblasts from radiated
skin and grew them out. And the fibroblasts in the radiated area
were able to sustain increase production of TGF beta, suggesting
that something about the radiation process may activate TGF beta.
In data I won't show, they did a study published, I think, in JCO
about a year ago using tocopherol and pentoxyphylline or two other
agents, they were able to reverse four or five years out, severe
late radiation injury, again suggesting this is a chronic, continuous
process, rather than a permanent process, and may be a whole novel
way of targeting high dose therapy, and then reversing the downstream
late effects.
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There
are a good number of agents now that may be involved in TGF beta
modification, and this paper contains it in the Red Journal this
year, in Volume 47, page 277.
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Another clever paper was published in Science earlier this year
with the idea that you could potentially inhibit p53 to suppress
the GI toxicity from chemotherapeutic agents. Presumably you can
do the same with radiation. So you can take advantage of what the
malignant phenotype gives us in resistance from cell killing, and
apply that to normal tissues. This is just another clever approach
that I wouldn't be surprised would be used down the line.
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So how do we help expedite translation from the laboratory to the
clinic? This is some of the stuff that we hope to do at NCI, and
do in conjunction with all of you folks.
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Intermediate
endpoints are important for molecular targets, and this includes
biopsies and laser capture, and some of the work presented today
from UC-Davis is interesting, using DNA from serum.
One must identify
molecular targets and assess the response of that target. One wants
to know if you're doing what you think you're doing when you give
your agent. These involve microarrays, which you are all familiar
with, and molecular and functional imaging.
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What
are some of the programs I will be involved in with the Radiation
Oncology Sciences Program that we think can potentially help the
field in general move forward? Workshops such as this, like the
Radiation Research Program that we sponsored. We try to support
collaborative approaches such as interactive program project grants
among institutions, and a number of institutions are now working
in that direction. We're developing something called the radiation
modifier evaluation module with Ed Sausville's program DTP, a way
of developing systems so when you have a drug that you want to test
with radiation, and the pharmaceutical company doesn't want to invest
in that, we will hopefully have a facility that can allow that to
happen within the NCI, and I'll illustrate what we plan to do.
We, in the intramural
program, have the advantage of not having to charge for health care,
and there is the potential that we could collaborate with extramural
investigators to do some of the Phase I and Phase II studies much
more quickly. Then if they look promising, exploit them for the cooperative
group. At the Radiation Research Branch we are doing molecular imaging,
and that's going to be a major emphasis of ours. And we have an advanced
technology center that we can do microarrays, and we look forward
to doing that in collaboration with extramural investigators.
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This
is the radiation modifier evaluation module. This is my first program,
and the most important thing we do in the NCI is to develop an acronym.
I thought this was important to get this through, so I named it
RAMEM. Once you give something an acronym, it's like it's been
there forever.
What we hope to
do in this is some screening and some high frequency screens to look
for radiation-drug interactions. But many of the new agents are going
to be cytostatic agents, and they are going to need in vivo
tests, and particularly normal tissue protectors are all going to
need in vivo tests. So Rosemary Wong is putting this together.
We plan to have cell lines in vivo and in vitro to normal
tissue assays, where if we get this organized, we'll have an oversight
committee that people can submit ideas for new drugs. It's almost
like the pre-RAID concept. We can help you get new concepts tested
pre-clinically and out to the clinic.
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The other role we can work on is as I mentioned before, the early
Phase I/Phase II, doing this in collaboration with extramural investigators.
Maybe someone will want to come and spend a year and help do a clinical
trial, and have access to some of the things we have at NCI. But
again, we want to help potentially facilitate novel concepts going
from the laboratory through to where the cooperative groups can
do the later Phase II and Phase III studies.
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We have a big molecular targets program that focuses on radiation
oncology, including a RAMEM module, the microarrays, basic research
groups of our own, and lots of collaborators from imaging to genetics,
biology, and so forth. I think we are developing a very small,
but hopefully mighty molecular targets program.
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What
I want you to do is to conceptualize radiation in a different way.
Most of you think of radiation in the macroenvironment or the normal
environment, where we think of tumor and normal tissues, and physics
is designed to help target the tumor and miss the normal tissue.
Radioprotectors all work in this macroenvironment and this normal
environment. These are predictive assays, or studies we do, pharmacokinetic
studies. The microenvironment is cell-cell interaction. We heard
how important that is. But when you get to nanomolecular, to the
nano and pico environment, that's where radiation molecular perturbations
are exactly the same as what you do with chemotherapeutic agents.
And that's where these fields really come together. So I have a
concept called nano intensity modulated radiotherapy. You want
to really get the drugs and the radiation energy and deposition
together in the right place at the right time. I think this is
where all the action will be.
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This
is one of my cartoons. The concept of this is don't think of radiation
as three-dimensional colored isodose curves. Think of radiation
as focused biology. It can bring the perturbation where you want
it. It can stimulate pathways that your molecular modifiers can
use. It can use drugs in lower doses, because this has the ability
to kill. The targets are just illustrated in cartoon fashion, but
you just name it and it's there from the cell to all its processes,
to the extracellular environment and so forth. So there are lots
and lots of targets, almost too many targets now, when 10 years
ago we didn't have enough targets.
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What
are the conclusions? Radiation therapy is focused biology. Technical
improvements may allow increased dose intensity by decreasing time
and by decreasing the volume of normal tissue. Imaging will be
essential for target definition and for molecular processes. Intermediate
endpoints will help identify and credential targets. Molecular
therapeutics are rapidly emerging so that the pre-clinical models
are increasingly important.
One has to really
begin to interpret the pre-clinical models with cytostatic agents
properly. You can hold things in check, but maybe not kill them.
So you have to have the right model for the right drug. And again,
many new agents will be cytostatic, so that radiation and other cytotoxic
therapies will be essential.
That essentially
ends my formal presentation. We are stimulated to have a little fun
here and we always get discouraged about our lack of progress or our
inability to sometimes move fields forward. We don't like our survival
curve. But this is a very, very sobering slide.
For those who search
the Internet and have found a website called AThe Onion@ B "World Death Rate Holding Steady at 100%."
No matter how hard we work, there are some things we simply can't
fix. Thank you very much.
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DR.
SAXMAN: Are there any questions?
DR. GANDARA: Norm,
radiation pneumonitis is a life threatening problem in a small percentage
of patients for essentially all the new chemotherapy radiation regimens.
Are we at the point where we should be measuring some either TGF beta
or something else, and is it practical? In other words, can we identify
perhaps either prospectively or at least retrospectively, some patients
who are particular risk independent of volume and other issues that
might be related to their radiation therapy planning?
DR. COLEMAN: The
answer is possibly. Mitch Antcher and his group at Duke have looked
at pre-radiotherapy TGF, and those who have higher circulating levels
seem to be at higher risk for radiation pneumonitis. I think these
are the kinds of reasonable correlative studies that one can do.
You can prove that hypothesis by in fact doing that, or test the hypothesis.
And now that there are molecular interventions or therapeutic interventions,
the number of patients you found that entered as TGF beta that predict
for that, perhaps you can reduce the TGF beta by these other blocking
agents, and prevent radiation pneumonitis. I think these really
very good ideas. We forget to work on the other side of the equation
as much as we can. If you can protect normal tissues by a factor
of 50%, you could really increase your dose intensity.
DR. SAXMAN: Dr.
Coleman, using your sort of model at the nanoscopic level, one of
the things that we are finding in medical oncology is again the MTD
of these drugs may not actually be the appropriate doses. The sort
of paradigm with radiation oncology has always been give us as much
as you can, short of harming the patient.
Do you think that
there is going to be sort of an equivalent model with radiation in
that giving what would have been considered "suboptimal"
doses, but some maximum biologic effect at this nano level is somewhere
down the line, or is it always going to be as much as you can give?
DR. COLEMAN: That's
a really great question. There is some data now looking at a thing
called low dose hypersensitivity, where if you give a cell a priming
dose of radiation, and then give it a low dose, and then give it a
second dose, it is relatively radioresistant. And if you keep your
dose below a certain level, at the really top of the survival curve
there is a hypersensitivity.
Sally Edmundson
is looking at just a couple of genes or microarrays to see what is
turned on. We may be able to understand what processes you don't
want to turn on which will make a cell relatively radioresistant.
Or you may understand if you turn that process on, you need to turn
it off and you will sensitize the cell.
So I think low
dose radiation works in magic ways a little bit. Why brachytherapy
works, we haven't really understood. I think there is a little bit
of hypersensitivity. There is probably something in the low dose
part of that survival curve that you can potentially take advantage
of, and that may be by using low dose refraction. Some groups are
doing that in brain tumors and reporting anecdotal spectacular response
rates in very, very low doses, but very frequently.
Monoclonal antibody
therapy may in fact work by this low dose hypersensitivity region
and brachytherapy may. So I think as we understand what radiation
does, and what the consequence of that are, we might use radiation
in different doses for molecular modification. For gene therapy you
may want to use a very intense dose to activate genes. You may want
to activate some signaling processes, which you can then use to kill
the cell using lower doses of radiation. I think, like drugs, we
are going to begin to use radiation as a drug, which is how a lot
of us think about it.
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