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SLIDES
& TRANSCRIPTS
Tuesday,
June 18
Breakout
Group A Summary and Recomendations with Group Discussion: Pathology,
Molecular Profiling, Prognosis
Jonathan
A. Fletcher, MD
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DR. JONATHAN FLETCHER: I would like to provide my sincere thanks
to the organizing committee for allowing me to play the role of
co-chairing the breakout with Sharon. It has been a terrific experience.
Although this is a bit of an arbitrary separation, what we attempted
to do in presenting the breakout is to deal with existing problems
and existing tools, which Sharon has covered, and then our developing
problems -- the challenges that we are facing to develop the markers
that play into some of the discussion that I am sure we will hear
from breakout two that, in many respects, is a good part of the
future of pathology and what is exciting in pathology.
The central aim here -- I am going to have a series of specific
recommendations that will come at the end -- is to establish a
platform for target discovery and validation in soft tissue sarcomas.
Now, we are happening to frame these in the spirit of many of
the presentations that were given yesterday -- the model of activated
targets, things like the kit oncoprotein and GIST -- partly because
they are amongst the most tractable of the new targets, therapeutically.
Much of what we are saying has that sort of urgency with respect
to translation to therapeutics, the need to identify these sorts
of targets in other sarcomas, but, at the same time of course,
will enrich all of us in terms of the understanding of the biology
of sarcomas. So, I am not getting into tumor suppressors today
and genetic instability and so forth; but many of those same aspects
of sarcoma biology, although not addressed here, will be part
and parcel of this effort.
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Just
to quickly revisit -- the issue which has plagued us is "exactly
how this kit was identified as a central, activated, central oncogene
in GIST?"
Fundamentally, this was by a confluence of information from developmental
biology and pathology. The problem that I am going to address is
that for most of the other types of sarcoma, we had a few fundamental
observations that led the way in GIST that we just don't have in
most other types of soft tissue sarcomas.
One was the observation that expression of the protein kit is absolutely
required for the differentiation and proliferation of interstitial
cells of Cajal in the gut or the ICC. Further, that kit is expressed
strongly and diffusely in that normal cell type, further the observation
that emerged from the surgical pathology literature in the 1990s
that GISTs might indeed arise from this Interstitial Cell of Cajal
lineage and further, that most GISTs in turn express kit diffusely
and strongly, which is a protein that is expressed in rather few
cell types.
So, it was that body of rather compelling incremental information
that led Hirota et al. to publish their landmark paper showing that
kit was mutated in most GISTs, which got the train rolling. The
question that we are struggling with here, of course, is what infrastructure
do we need to more empirically identify these same sort of clues
in sarcomas where we don't have this serendipity of the confluence
of developmental biology and pathology?
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We
are going to roughly classify the potential targets into three categories,
a rather simplistic approach, but we would like an infrastructure
set into place such that one could realistically triage or establish
a hierarchy of targets that would range from being targets but not
particularly compelling, down at the bottom, to those targets that
we could really get worked up about.
Expression alone would identify a potential target. It is expressed
in the cell type, but we don't know anything about the function
or whether it plays an especially meaningful role in that cell type. If it is expressed and it is activated, if we know that functionally
it has turned on in that cell type, we get a little bit more excited
and that is a promising target.
Finally, if it is expressed, it is activated, and we have the understanding
that there is a specific genomic mechanism which has singled out
that target, focused on it, then we really have a sense that it
is playing an essential role in that cell type, and then it becomes
much more of the model of kit and GIST or other oncoproteins that
have been targeted successfully in various human cancers.
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Again,
the problem is that in many types of sarcomas we don't have this
background of biological information that allows us to identify
those targets which are the best for a particular tumor.
So, we need an infrastructure which enables the identification of
the essential activated oncoproteins, particularly those which are
required for maintenance, ongoing maintenance, of the transformed
state of that tumor. And, by definition, lacking the above, we need
an approach which is somewhat empiric, which probably involves high
throughput data sets as well as an ability to identify the candidates
that do the best, and to focus on those, to identify the most promising
targets.
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Further,
as an assumption, we would posit that in many types of sarcomas
-- and as we heard yesterday from a variety of speakers, including
the GIST model of the compelling kit target -- that ultimately we
need to target therapy to encompass both that primary target as
well as ancillary targets that may be downstream of the target or
may be parallel targets. Otherwise, in most patients, no matter
how successful the monotherapy, we will be dealing with the eventual
emergence of resistance.
So, we need an infrastructure to guide the appropriate selection
of combination targeted therapies, an infrastructure based on gene
expression, protein expression and, importantly, activation -- and
ideally mechanisms of activation because, again, very often, the
mechanisms of activation will tell you which of the targets are
the most compelling. TOP
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We
just show an example here of a potential trajectory which one could
take a given type of sarcoma, retroperitoneal sarcoma, MPNST, and
follow this through to identify what we would regard as very potentially
compelling targets. Starting perhaps with high-throughput gene expression
analyses, simply to demonstrate which genes are expressed at relatively
high levels in a particular type of sarcoma -- that might be cDNA
arrays.
Now, the techniques that I have listed here are just examples of
some of these cases. Many techniques are now available, but just
to make the point. That would be coupled with high-throughput protein
expression analyses to confirm and validate that the cDNAs that
we think are overexpressed are actually translated to a functional
target or a protein target that would be relevant to drug intervention.
This might be evaluation of sarcoma tissue microarrays by immunohistochemistry.
Additional analyses to determine whether the candidate protein targets
that we have identified in Step 2 are expressed in the activated
manner, say, phosphorylation. That gives us a sense that, functionally,
they are at least potentially playing a role in that particular
sarcoma type. This might be immunohistochemistry or immunoblotting
with phospho-specific antibodies.
Ideally, genomic studies, which might be sequencing or molecular
cytogenetics -- FISH for example -- to demonstrate what are those
proteins that seem to be highly and perhaps aberrantly are, again,
being singled out by a genomic mechanism -- amplification, rearrangement,
point mutation -- that would give them a special significance. Very
importantly, in vitro pre-clinical studies of target inhibitors
-- going after those proteins that we feel to be compelling.
In addition to the simple, one-drug approach, trying Gleevec in
some tumor where we think that PDGF receptor-beta for example is
strongly activated, these would become ultimately fairly complex
studies. Tying in with other aspects of developmental therapeutics
where one would put a given inhibitor together with other inhibitors
to determine these very important questions as to which pathways
we need to interact with synergistically, or inhibit synergistically,
to really accomplish the final endpoint of knocking out proliferation
-- inducing apoptosis and so forth.
Several in the group mentioned the exciting developments with small
inhibitors of RNA, which are, in many cases, much more selective
in inhibiting particular targets than the small molecule drugs that
we have been discussing at the meeting, and would play an important
adjunct role in telling you that what you think you are inhibiting
-- which pathway you think you are inhibiting -- is indeed the correct
one in the particular cell type. TOP
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What do we need to do this? I have described a process that everybody
in the room is excited about and many of the folks are involved
in, and there is a real passion for. There are certain resources
which are needed urgently to make this sort of process available
to the general sarcoma community.
Coming back to frozen tumors -- if one wanted to develop these whole
stories from start to finish, one would need about half a gram of
snap frozen tumor -- 500 milligrams of tumor -- to do both RNA,
protein analysis, genomic studies, and so forth.
Of course, in a given scenario, not all aspects of this pathway
need to be done by any one lab, and this will come back to the theme
of data sharing and the idea that we need a centralized portal to
exchange this information more efficiently.
Generation of additional cDNA microarray datasets -- there have
been terrifically exciting publications in the past year that we
hope are very much just the start of the process. The urgent word
needs to get out there, that we need a substantially increased amount
of support to generate this sort of data so that we simply know
which genes are selectively expressed in different sarcoma types.
Serial analysis of gene expression - SAGE -- is a complementary
method of screening the transcripts, or identifying the transcriptosome
for different sarcomas.
The advantage of this approach is not only in validating or confirming
some of the sense from c-DNA arrays, but often identifying genes
that we might not even know about yet, and might, in fact, be expressed
only in sarcoma types and not perhaps in normal cells.
Generation of sarcoma microarray immunohistochemistry datasets --
this is an area which is just in its infancy, but we see a great
need equal to the cDNA microarrays to have data sharing and to encourage
development of this data, which is available in the first place.
As part of this -- an important part -- having a reference resource
to provide sarcoma mesenchymal tissue microarrays that are highly
validated in terms of being representative of their given cell types
and optimal tissue specimens.
We need to generate datasets for phosphorylation or activation profiles
of the cell signaling cascades in common sarcoma subtypes -- again,
getting back to a need to identify the pathways that are at the
fore at the moment, with the excitement over small molecule inhibitors.
Also, something that one can integrate with the cDNA array expression
profiles, if one knows that phospho-akt is through the roof, for
instance, in a particular tumor type. It might cause you to focus
on certain genes that are related to that pathway in the cDNA arrays,
to see if you develop a greater sense of enthusiasm for that particular
target.
There is an urgent need for bioinformatics and data-sharing resources,
and some of the group described the ongoing initiatives for this
at the NIH. Clearly, that needs to be tied into this effort, so
that there is the appropriate power in terms of the sorts of tumors
that are incorporated, perhaps, in these tissue microarrays, and
that there is the necessary support to enable the sharing of this
data with the sarcoma community generally.
Finally -- very important -- coming back on the previous slide to
the in vitro studies, we need a sarcoma cell line repository or
at least an identified, highly characterized group of sarcomas,
perhaps at the American Type Culture Collection, which we all believe
in.
As we know, there are leiomyosarcoma cell lines out there now, and
we are not sure how representative they are of the tumors they are
supposedly derived of. For many types of sarcomas that we all like
to work on, there are really no well-characterized examples that
are readily available from the conventional distributors.
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So, the last slide is really the meat of the recommendations --
these specific resources which we feel, if they were generally available,
would go a large way toward enabling the development of this infrastructure
for target discovery and validation in soft tissue sarcomas.
Of course, as part of this effort, there would be a direct tie-in
with what I expect we will hear from the second breakout session;
but it also comes back full circle to Sharon's presentation, where
part of the issue in identifying how pathology specimens should
be processed and how we should be gearing ourselves, presupposes
that we need an infrastructure in place that will more reliably,
reproducibly, handle these important targets that we all know are
coming over the next five or 10 years and that will in many cases,
be instrumental in therapeutic decisions.
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